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The Annapurna Circuit: Trip report and guide (Intro and Part I)

Based on my July 2018 experience
This was not technically an ultralight backpacking trip. However, my experience on this trip was a catalyst to me switching over. I remember the clear difference between two fellow trekkers I met. One carrying 25kg of gear, the other only 7. The former I passed one day struggling up the trail despite him having several hours head start. He looked miserable. The latter never seemed as tired as I was and rarely stopped for breaks. My load was between the two but I wished it was much lighter.
This is also not a backpacking trip in the traditional sense. No tents or sleeping pads. Beds every night. You don’t cook your own food either. However, you could do those things on this trip as several other backpackers that I met attested. Regardless, it is an adventure that I think the ultralight community will appreciate as we all long to be back in the wilderness. Also worth noting: I am not sponsored by anyone. Any recommendation is simply based on my experience. No free gear was received in exchange for mentioning it. All of the links are for general information and are not affiliates of mine.
This is just part one of a two part series since I can't only post so much in one Reddit post. Look for part two to come out soon.
I've included several links to spreadsheets and photos:
1). Gear List. Includes gear I brought and its weight as well as what I’d bring now for comparison.
2). Cost breakdown. This is an itemized report of prices on the trek for housing, water, food, beer, transportation, and sunscreen.
3). Elevation and Distance. The third spreadsheet shares the rough distances between villages and communities along the trek along with elevation change.
4). Photos. Finally I’ve included a link to my website which has some of my favorite photos from the trip.
Please ask any questions you have. I’ll do my best to answer them. Hopefully by this fall some of you will be headed to Nepal for your own adventure!

INTRO
This is a complete guide to trekking the Annapurna Circuit in the Himalayan mountains of Nepal. I did this with my partner in July of 2018 during one of two off-seasons. Summer (May-September) is the rainy season and the trek doesn’t see much traffic during this time. Winter (December-February) is the other off-season for obvious reasons.
I’ve divided this trip report into two main sections (it's two long to post in one post on Reddit). The first part talks about the general logistics such as how to get to the circuit and what you should bring. I will try to include as much exact information about what I actually brought as I can and then provide some commentary on what I’d change when I go back.
The second part will focus on a timeline of the trek. What towns did we stay in and what were they like? What were some of the things we saw along the way and what were the trail conditions? This part will basically be a long blog post about our trek divided by the villages we stayed at or passed through along the way.

BACKGROUND
Why the Annapurna Circuit and why July (arguably the worst time of year to go). I am not a mountaineer, rock climber, athlete, or otherwise elite outdoorsman. In fact, the Annapurna Circuit was really my first backpacking trip and still my longest one to date. I did, however, grow up camping and loving the outdoors and am an experienced day hiker. Travel is also something I have some experience in, having been through much of North America and over 30 other countries.
Over the past few years I’ve grown a love for photography and a desire to capture natural landscapes as I see and feel them. Combined with my passion for the outdoors and a mild case of wanderlust, I began creating an unofficial list of places I definitely want to visit in my lifetime. This list includes Patagonia, New Zealand’s Southern Alps, the Andes Mountains in Northern Peru, and the Himalayas.
In May of 2018, my partner and I quit our jobs and bought one way tickets to Singapore to start our first visit to the continent of Asia. I had researched the Himalayas enough to know that Nepal’s Annapurna Circuit, Annapurna Base Camp, and Everest Base Camp were probably the best options for first time trekkers with epic mountain scenery. However, we made no specific plans on when we would arrive in Nepal if at all on this trip.
Fast forward through our first month in the hot and humid SouthEast part of Asia, and I soon realized that the climate differences for a resident of dry temperate Northern California were more than I anticipated. Added to that were the vast cultural differences between western countries where most of my previous travel had been and that of many SouthEast Asian countries. I found myself longing for the cool familiarity of the mountains and Nepal seemed the right choice.
So one day we bought a ticket from Malaysia to Kathmandu, knowing we would arrive during the rainy season but figuring we should give it a shot. We landed on a hot July day in the rain and were soon greeted by the chaos of Kathmandu. Here we opted to spend five days exploring the city, eating good food, researching all the ins and outs of the treks, buying supplies, and determining the best trek for this time of year. We talked to local guides and foreign adventurers alike trying to gage whether we should attempt trekking at all this time of year.
Eventually, after receiving some mixed accounts, we decided to risk it and head out the next morning for the Annapurna Circuit. We heard from both ends of the spectrum including some vehement statements that we shouldn’t trek this time of year and other trekkers who had just finished and had a wonderful time. We knew that we could always turn around and come back if it felt too dangerous.

MORE ON MONSOON SEASON
July is the middle of the monsoon season in Nepal. It’s also summer which means the lowlands are a steaming jungle and the mountains are often hidden in clouds. Due to the steep terrain, the land is prone to mudslides which can block roads and send vehicles down ravines. Leeches are also a problem at lower elevation which we soon found to be especially true when walking through dense foliage.
However, there are several benefits to trekking this time of year. Being the off -season there are far fewer tourists both in Kathmandu and on the trails. This means lower prices, easier to obtain rooms, and less crowding on the streets and trails. Along with the rain comes greenery. The flowers are in bloom and the trees are their greenest. The alpine hillsides are green as well, turning brown later in the year when trekking peaks. The nights don’t get as cold even at high altitude where guest houses are without heat, so fewer warm layers are required.
Of course, the dangers are real. Nepali people die every year in monsoon related road accidents and it's not uncommon for a few tourists to die as well. Delays are inevitable due to poor road conditions made worse by the rain. On the trail, many of the guest houses are not operating during the off season or may be more hesitant to welcome guests or have many food options. While crowds can create hassle, some comradery on the trail is welcome but much harder to find during the off-season.
NEXT TIME: Based on our experience, I wouldn’t change what we did. However, I would probably not go during this season again or necessarily recommend others to go during July. Instead I would opt for the end of the rainy season right before peak season (late September) or the end of the second trekking season right before the rainy season (late May).

PART I: LOGISTICS OF THE ANNAPURNA CIRCUIT
Almost everything you need for your trek can be bought in Kathmandu. Prices are cheaper than in the west but the quality is lower and most stores sell knock-offs of the brands they claim to sell. The neighborhood of Thamel is the primary trekkers hub in Nepal’s capital city. Here you will find more shops than you can count offering new and used gear, from real name-brand stuff to cheap knock offs. If you are coming to Nepal as part of a longer trip that includes travel to much warmer countries (as we did), you might consider buying some of your gear in Kathmandu.
We bought two synthetic sleeping bags (rated -10C but probably only good down to freezing) for $25/each. We were offered supposedly 100% down rated -20C “waterproof” sleeping bags for $50/each but were glad we didn’t get them. I purchased a decent quality “North Face” jacket with synthetic down filling for $15 and “waterproof” shell for $15. Diamox (a medication for altitude sickness) and many other meds (Decadron, a steroid, and various antibiotics) can be purchased for about $1 for a week's supply and without a prescription. The quality and purity of these drugs is unknown. I would definitely bring my own backpack as you will want something better quality than what I saw available. Same with shoes (or boots, it doesn’t matter really but trail runners are more comfortable and do the job perfectly) as you want them broken in. Everything else could be bought in Kathmandu but you won’t find anything ultralight or top quality.
NEXT TIME: Since trekking I’ve learned a lot about the value of a light backpack and minimal (but sufficient) gear. If trekking in Nepal was the only aspect of my trip from the US, I would bring nearly all my own gear. Everything would be quality and as light as possible for the task. An ultralight down quilt, wool underclothes, a down puffy, a waterproof rain shell, and a quality lightweight backpack 50 liters or less. I think a sub 10 pound base weight is reasonable even with a heavy camera.

PASSES AND PERMITS
You are required to have a TIMS card and the Annapurna Conservation Area Permit to trek. There are plenty of good blogs online describing these so I won’t go into great detail. They can both be purchased at the Nepal Tourism Board about a 20 minute walk from Thamel. Each costs about 2000 rupee ($17) and during the off season there was very little wait. I was told that you can get them in Pokhara and Besi Sahar as well but can't confirm. Bring passport photos (they wanted 4 each from us) and your passport as well as travel insurance information (required, we used World Nomads). Keep your permits handy as there are frequent checkpoints on the trek.

MONEY MATTERS
Everything is cash in Nepal. Many places that have MasterCard and Visa plastered all over their storefront window or list online that they take credit cards. This is almost always inaccurate. I’m not sure why. Mobile data and wifi are generally available and it would be helpful for tourists even if it meant slightly higher prices. Also there is a feeling of dishonesty when a business clearly advertises one thing but practices another.
For the trek you should bring all the cash you need with you. There are no ATM’s from Besisahar to Jomsom. The ATM’s in Thamel, Kathmandu usually only allow 15-30k rupees per transaction (many banks have limitations as well). You will also likely pay a fee every time you withdraw money and probably not always get the best exchange rates. I estimate that I lost about 10% on every withdrawal between fees and bad exchange rates.
How much money you need on the trek depends a lot on how much time you plan to take and what “luxuries” you want. I read blogs before my own experience suggesting $25-35/day per person. By watching our budget and going in the off-season we spent closer to $15/person and could have been quite comfortable on $20. Beer ($2-5), hot showers ($2 when available), and western food (always more expensive than Nepali food) can quickly double that. Most snacks are cheaper in Kathmandu (with the exception of Manang) but then you have to carry them all that way. If you purify your own water you save a lot.
NEXT TIME: I would probably plan to spend a little bit more to make the journey more enjoyable. An occasional beer or more variety in food choices can really improve your day. Hot showers are definitely worth it if they are gas powered but probably not if solar (they don’t actually get hot). I would also take more time on the trek, thus increasing the amount of cash I needed. That being said: the 50,000 rupee I brought on this trek would still probably suffice. If you are going without a guide or a porter the trek is automatically going to be significantly cheaper than those with planned tours.

GUIDES AND PORTERS
There are numerous options to do a guided trek including booking months in advance through large North American companies like G-Adventures or REI. For a more hassle free experience, this could be a good option. However, you definitely do not need a guide for the Annapurna Circuit. And I’ve read many stories of the guides being more trouble than they are worth.
The trek is super easy to follow with a map. Often because of the rain, we just followed the rough gravel and dirt road that nearly makes the entire circuit. During peak seasons, the trail looks very well marked and easy to follow. There are quite a few side trails, but these are easily avoided by referring to your map.
Porters are also unnecessary for nearly all trekkers, even those with guides. You need such minimal gear compared to backpacking in the wilderness or mountaineering, that your pack shouldn’t be an issue. I couldn’t believe how much stuff some people brought with them. My pack weight was over 30 pounds and 55 liters and I definitely saw a large number of much bulkier packs on the trail. Some people had a porter carrying a huge load for them on top of the oversized day pack on their own back.
Cost-wise hiring guides and porters would at least double your cost. Sure it helps provide jobs, but also may keep you from staying in that little unique guest house on the edge of town or spending an extra day somewhere that intrigues you. Guides will often direct you to stay at a specific guest house for which they get a commission even though there may be better options available. Some friends did Everest Base camp with a tour company later in 2018 and spend nearly 7 times what we did on our trek (there are no luxury hotel options on the trek and flights are not included in most tours). Having the independence to travel at your own pace and stay where you want, when you want is all something that money can’t buy.
NEXT TIME: I would definitely do this trek (also Annapurna and Everest Base Camps) on my own again. While there are some incredible guides with much knowledge and enjoyable personalities, the Annapurna Circuit is just too straight forward for me to justify needing one.

FOLLOWING THE TRAIL
There are several options for trails maps. Maps are easily available in Kathmandu for about 400 rupee. These are fairly accurate and up to date. Look for one made the same year (or at least previous) as your trek date. If you buy a map in the US before traveling, it may be slightly less up to date. For example, we ended up with the September 2017 edition of Nepa Maps NA504 Around Annapurna. Now, over a year later, the latest edition I can find online is the 2014 edition.
A road that parallels the Circuit is rapidly being constructed and the trail is constantly being rerouted when its path is more desirable for the course of the road.
Free offline apps such as Maps.Me offer downloadable trail routes for the Annapurna Circuit. Other options such as Gaia can assist with terrain but I never used it. Another invaluable source that I used for information about stops along the way, distances between villages, and what to expect, was the Wikitravel Document on the Annapurna Circuit.
The main trail is marked with red and white trail markers that are fairly visible. Some of the trail simply follows the road which isn’t a bad walk during the off season. However, in high season the dust and frequent jeep traffic would make this option uninviting. Luckily, most of the way up the path there are alternative trail options which are often on the opposite side of the valley as the road. Since leeches love foliage, we opted for the foliage free road most of the way up but outside of the rainy season this shouldn’t be a problem.

ELECTRONICS
CHARGERS: I would recommend bringing one universal adapter, preferably with multiple usb outlets in it. Outlets are hard to find and while some are universal, not all are. Some places charge you to use an outlet so being able to plug multiple devices into a single outlet saves you money. With my adapter I could charge my back up battery, phone, and camera all at once from one outlet.
PHOTO AND VIDEO: If you are a casual photographer just looking for some nice photos to show friends and family, I would recommend investing in a flagship smartphone or a Gopro rather than carrying the weight of even a small interchangeable lens camera. You just don't need all that extra weight unless you want significant zoom or professional quality large prints. The Go-pro is super light, takes decent 4k video, has image stabilization built in (much better video quality), is waterproof, and is tiny. Bring multiple batteries if you plan on a lot of videos. Also bring one SD card per day to reduce the risk of losing data.
I consider myself an advanced hobbyist when it comes to photography. Currently I use a Sony a7r II. I only brought one lens, the versatile Sony 24-240mm FE f3.5-6.5. If you are really serious I'd recommend a wide angle as well (16-35mm f2.8). This would especially be nice during drier weather when you can actually see the night sky for stargazing. The mountains are so vast and towering that a wide angle is really the only way to properly capture them without doing a panorama. I chose not to bring a tripod. If you are carrying your own gear it's a lot of extra weight to carry.
NEXT TIME: I’d bring the same camera set up and add a wide angle lens and an ultralight fold-up tripod. I would bring four batteries and probably an SD card for every other day. It’s a lot of weight but the photos are so worth it.
BACKUP POWER: I used a generic large backup battery charger with two usb ports. It was rated for 20k mAh but I don’t think that was accurate. My 10k mAh Anker is lighter and holds a similar charge . Whenever there wasn't charging available, I'd plug into this and when there was charging available I'd make sure it stayed charged. Even so I bought 4 batteries for my camera. One alternative, if going when the sun's out, is to rely on solar energy for charging.
MEMORY CARDS: I brought 8 memory cards including 4 micro SD and 4 regular. If I had to do it over I’d bring more. I had one scare where the camera said it wasn't writing the files correctly and when I went to flip back through them, I got error messages. I switched cards at that time and more frequently afterward. Turns out nothing was wrong but if you are a serious photographer you want to minimize risk of loss.
DRONES: This is a subject that has not been addressed in any other blogs I've read at all. Before going I watched numerous videos of people flying drones in the Himalayas. YouTube has several vloggers who have droned their treks and filmmakers who have made beautiful drone documentaries of these great mountains.
Unfortunately none of them address one serious problem, the Annapurna Conservatory at least (and possibly all of Nepal) has banned the use of drones without a permit (some say it's easy to get one, some say it's not). In some instances police have simply confiscated people's drones on the spot. In a country where one can hardly breathe in major cities due to dust and pollution, you'd think there would be greater issues than a couple of drones flying around. After consulting with some locals who saw my drone, I concluded that there is a significant risk that the police will take your device if they catch you. Many will find this a risk well worth taking and in some places there is limited police presence. The Annapurna Circuit has a surprisingly strong police presence in several towns (Chame for example) but not everywhere.
A drone is a lot of weight to carry if you don't feel comfortable using it for risk of having it taken. If you do plan to use it, either get a permit or exercise extreme caution and don't use it around villages or locals who might feel led to alert authorities. If you are a professional, just get the permit since your gear is likely worth a lot. If you are an amateur and want to risk it, bring a small, light drone that you can hide well if need be. I don't have specific information about getting permits, but it seems like the process isn't easy or quick.
OTHER: I brought a headlamp but never used it. For outhouse runs and power outages my phone served just fine though the headlamp would be much more convenient for longer periods of darkness. I would still recommend one.

CELL SERVICE
If you want to pack super light, aren't serious about photography or filming, but want some nice shots to bring home, I'd bring a high-end Samsung Galaxy, iPhone or similar. Since I had camera gear, I ended up using a cheap Samsung J2 pro (picked up brand new in Malaysia for $125). It takes relatively bad photos and video but was really just used to post updates to my Instagram story during those rare WiFi moments.
It is easy to get a SIM card for your global compatible phone in Kathmandu and even at some locations on the trek. There are two main providers Nepal Telecom and NCELL. We went with the private company Ncell because we heard that they were faster. Unfortunately, we soon found they didn’t currently offer much coverage on the circuit. However, judging by the number of locals using their cell-phones I’m guessing Nepal Telecom offers better service up there. Data is inexpensive and definitely worth it for navigating Kathmandu.
NEXT TIME: I would go with Telecom as having some coverage is better than none at all. I would also bring a better phone with a better battery life. One less thing to worry about charging all the time if the battery lasts longer.

WATER
Drinking water can be purchased at quite regular intervals along the trail in 1 liter bottles of filtered safe water for 30-150 rupee/liter. However, this adds up quickly (2-4 liters/day) and is quite bad for the environment. Safe water filling stations are available in many towns during trekking season for 30-60 rupee/liter. These were all closed except Thorung Phedi when I trekked this July. Bringing a 1 liter bottle to refill should be plenty when the clean filling stations are all open.
Another method is to fill up from the numerous running water stations in towns and villages along the way. Some of these are running constantly and are quite clean (coming from the mountains upstream from the village). However a village further up the mountain, animal waste, or other contaminants could still get you sick. I met trekkers who drank this water without problems but I would not risk it. While it usually didn’t appear to need filtering, I would absolutely purify it first.
I brought chlorine tablets (over iodine because chlorine also kills a virus that is a common cause of water related stomach illnesses) and a Steripen. The Steripen uses ultraviolet rays to kill pathogens. It required a wide mouthed water bottle to use (won’t work with a Smart water bottle). Also any curves or hidden areas where the light might not reach the water can leave it unclean. Mine required two ca123 batteries (not common) and can only do about 50 liters/two batteries. I carried several extra batteries.
Some sort of water purification tablets were available in many stores along the way. With a method to purify water, you save money and plastic and can even get your water from a stream if needed. We found the chlorine tablets did make the water taste somewhat undesirable so you may want to bring some sort of water flavoring. Another option is the two step water treatment drops that take more time but are arguably the most effective against the most possible illnesses with the least negative effect on the flavor.
NEXT TIME: I would bring my Sawyer Mini and add chlorine tabs if the water seemed exceptionally sketchy which is rarely if ever did. The Sawyer Mini works with any lightweight water bottle or 1 liter filter bags which are light and easy to store.

FOOD
You don’t need to bring any food from your home country (and probably shouldn’t). Snacks are available at steadily increasing prices and regular intervals as you head up the trail. Snickers, potato chips, sodas, cookies, nuts and granola bars were easy to find even in the off season. If you are on a strict budget you may want to find an inexpensive supply of snacks in Kathmandu before heading up. If you want fresh produce, you will likely have to purchase from Kathmandu or along the way as there is very little on the trek.
A helpful tip: snack prices in Manang oddly aren't much more than Kathmandu (Snickers only increased from 85 to 100 rupee despite bringing more than 150 rupees in earlier towns).
Healthy options are harder to come by. Certain times of the year you can get apples but not during the summer. Most meals included cooked vegetables grown fresh in the village. Every open lodge had food available. We generally avoided the meat due to limited safe storage options. We only had minor trouble with the food. Dal Bat is the traditional meal on the trek. Garlic soup is another popular one. We really enjoyed the Tibetan Bread with Honey for breakfast. If you are trying to eat low carb, good luck. Every meal is very high in carbs. Eating vegetarian is fairly easy to do.
NEXT TIME: We tried to eat a lot of Dal Bat as it was the least expensive way to get a lot of food. Often when you are very hungry, it just makes sense as they keep refilling your plate. However, I think it's worth spending a little more to eat more variety and change things up. With so many long days of trekking, it's a good way to keep up your morale.

LODGING
We did not book a single place on the trek in advance. I had heard that during peak season places fill up and guest houses end up packing extra people in the common areas. This was not a problem during such a slow time of year. We had more of a problem finding that places were closed due to the lack of traffic. I would not recommend booking anything in advance. If you go during peak season just try to arrive early enough to find a good spot before they are all taken.
As numerous other blogs describe, the lodges are typically referred to as tea houses although to me this implies more of a small home stay. A few of the locations we stayed in were someone’s home with extra rooms for guests. Others were more like mini hotels in which a room or two was saved for the employees. They all had kitchens and dining rooms which appeared like great places to gather if we had had other guests to gather with. Most had wood burning stoves in the middle which would have been wonderful as we increased in altitude. However, it was not cold enough for them to justify burning precious wood for just a couple of trekkers.
In every village, we first walked through the entire village (most take 10 minutes to walk through) to see where we felt the most welcome. In some places like Chame, it was easy. A kind lady called out to us upon passing by and after seeing her rooms we realized they would be perfect. Other places, like Manang were larger and had more options to choose from. Here we actually looked at a couple of rooms that we just didn’t love before settling on one. A few villages had vastly differing prices (ranging from free to 700 rupees) so if you are on a budget it pays to shop around. During peak season you may not have this luxury and may just have to take what's available.
NEXT TIME: I would still not book anything ahead. I would look for places that were clean and comfortable. A shower isn’t necessary every night. And sometimes the best places are away from the main lodges. I would also try to stay in a few of the smaller villages that aren’t necessarily on the main trek. Most likely I would do this trek slower (and in better weather) so as to experience more of the culture and hopefully meet more trekkers to swap stories with along the way.

GETTING THERE FROM KATHMANDU
We went to BG Mall (400 rupee taxi ride north of Thamel) to get our bus directly to Besisahar where the trek begins. The taxi actually dropped us off at the Gongabu New Bus Station. However, upon asking around we were directed to the BG Mall around the corner.
There are mini buses (think minivans with way too many seats packed in them) going to Besisahar directly. While popular with tourists, these appeared cramped and uncomfortable to me. They also tie all the luggage outside on the top of the van so it ends up covered in exhaust and dust. One benefit is that these minibuses go direct and don't stop to pick up more passengers along the way. I've heard they run about 700 rupee.
We chose what we were told was a tourist bus. In reality it ran more like a local bus to Besisahar from BG Mall. We didn't buy tickets ahead but simply paid the driver 450 rupees each. We had our backpacks stored underneath, had our own seats, and the bus was never full. However, I think during peak season it would have been much more crowded. Even though we stopped to pick up passengers whenever we saw them, most of the delays were the terrible traffic jam coming out of Kathmandu (3-4 hour traffic jam. Even so, we made it to Besisahar by about 3pm (9 hours) without switching buses. There are supposedly non-stop “luxury” tourist buses available for a bit more. However, you won’t find anything that approaches the quality of buses available in South America or Europe.
As with all transportation in Nepal, be prepared for longer than expected journeys and over packed vehicles that wouldn’t be up to safety standards in the US. There probably won’t be air conditioning in the summer either. And the passengers tend to be quite loud the entire trip.
NEXT TIME: I would probably still risk buying a last minute ticket. That way I can assess the condition of the bus before purchasing. The mini-buses, while perhaps slightly faster, look way less enjoyable unless perhaps you have a large enough group to book the entire bus.

SOME MORE ON GEAR
You don’t need as much gear as a normal backpacking trip. While some people do choose to wild camp, most stay at the tea houses. Even if you do camp, food is so readily available, there is no need to carry large amounts with you. Bringing a tent would allow you to wake up in some truly wild, remote locations without any other humans around. It would also require you bring a sleeping pad and a warmer sleeping bag.
All the tea houses had blankets. Extras were available if we were cold though this is not the case during peak season. I would at least bring a liner if not your own bag for cleanliness and extra warmth. I think a light 30 degree quilt would be fine unless you went in the winter. There’s no heat in the rooms, but I imagine they keep more warmth in than a tent would. The coldest mornings during the summer were below freezing, but not by much in our experience. Peak season is in the fall so it will be colder for sure.
I’d probably go with my SWD long haul 50 out of my current gear. Although it would be bigger than needed, it carries really well and rolls down when not filled. You probably don’t need a backpack with a frame. Honestly, a Zimmerbuilt style QuickStep or similar would probably do just fine if you are not camping or bringing a lot of camera gear.
Any cooking supplies are superfluous unless you really want to eat freeze-dried meals or have a cup of hot tea on a random remote hilltop. There are actually small huts which serve hot tea at some of the more popular day hikes along the trek. These are only open during peak season.
I primarily hiked in shorts but if it had been much colder leggings or pants would have been nice. There’s a lot of exposure and sun during peak season (even in the summer the clouds cleared enough to get us burnt), so long sleeve shirts and maybe a hat would be nice.
Camp shoes and night clothes aren’t necessary but sure were nice to have. A change or two of underwear and socks would suffice. I brought some running shorts that double as swim trunks. There are several hot springs on the trek which are near town and close to the river. These were mostly flooded over with river water due to the monsoon.
We brought way too many toiletries and a large first aid kit. If I recall correctly some places had toilet paper in their bathrooms and it was also available at some of the shops.

BRIEF GUIDE TO KATHMANDU
We arrived in Kathmandu near the end of June to pouring rain. The airport is a mess of chaos. One had to take a bus from the plane to get to the terminal. Visas are available on arrival for US citizens and those of many other countries. We chose a 30 day visa for about $50 but there are longer options available. We took a taxi from the airport to Thamel for about $5 and settled into a hostel for the night.
Our first few nights in the hostel were nice (community atmosphere and cheap price) but we soon realized we wanted to be in a hotel and moved locations for our next three nights before the trek. You can walk Thamel in a day or less. There are plenty of decent restaurants and lots of trekkers and tourists. A few of the streets don’t allow cars which is refreshing as the dirt, dust, and exhaust they produce is overwhelming. The shops in Thamel offer everything you could imagine related to trekking but not all of it is quality. You are under constant pressure to buy something or some service you don’t want nearly everywhere you go in Thamel.
Five days in Kathmandu was too long. I’d recommend three to get accustomed to the place, buy any last minutes good for the trek, and get some cash. We left everything we had with us at the hotel including extra camera gear and a laptop. We locked it in a bag and they put it in a second floor storage room. The agreement is that you will stay with them when you return but since they didn’t have rooms we weren’t held to that. Nothing was lost, stolen, or damaged in our experience.
Lodging:
Alobar 1000 Hostel. We stayed two nights here. It was a friendly enough place with cheap water refills available and an inexpensive rooftop bar. There were all sorts of friendly travelers here from yogis and hippies to trekkers and climbers. Our private room was ok but the bathroom was shared and not always so clean. Price was approximately $10-15 per night.
Hotel Family Home. We stayed three nights here and stored our luggage here during our trek. Cost was approximately $20 per night. The rooms were ok. Not quite up to western standards. There was a free breakfast you could pick from (pancakes, smoothies, toast and eggs). The bathroom had an open window instead of a fan and was filled with bugs.
Trekkers Home: We stayed one night here after returning from our trek. It was a great price and the owners were friendly but the air conditioning didn’t work. With the pollution and the summer heat and humidity, having air conditioning is nearly essential in July. Cost was only $12 per night but didn’t include breakfast.
OYO 120 Hotel Tayoma. We stayed here three nights after the trek. It has a Pho restaurant with good food below it. The rooms are large and clean with cold air conditioning. This was probably our favorite spot in Thamel. Price included breakfast for about $20 per night.
Dining:
Himalayan Java Coffee - Thamel Chowk. This is a popular spot with trekkers and expats alike. Great coffee for the area and many baked goods as well as specialty drinks.
Western Tandoori & Naan House. We probably ate here half a dozen times. Excellent prices and amazing authentic Indian food better than anywhere I’ve had in North America and rivaling London. Local spot with nothing fancy that can get quite hot during the day. Looks a little dirty but we never got sick and enjoyed every meal here.
Northfield Cafe. Nice outdoor cafe with baked goods and a decent breakfast.
Weizen Bakery. Probably our favorite bakery in Thamel. Great chocolate cake and pastries. Half off after 8 pm!
The Cafe With No Name. Great little bar serving local micro-brewed beer and donating proceeds to charity. We went here several times and always loved the food. Definitely geared toward tourists.
Medical:
Pharmacies. There are numerous pharmacies in Thamel which don’t require a prescription to get things like Diamox, antibiotics, pain relief, or decadron. Quality is unknown of course so use with care.
CIWEC Hospital Pvt. Ltd. This is a private hospital especially for tourists that’s right outside Thamel. Due to an accident which required suturing we actually used this location and got excellent professional service. Our doctor spoke perfect English. She and her nurses all used sterile technique, practiced hand washing, and were very skilled and thorough in their care. I don’t think we would have received better care anywhere in the US. Cost was $330 USD which is a lot for Nepal but was completely covered by our travel insurance.
Transport:
Walking. This is the best way to get about Thamel and really much of Kathmandu. It's fun just to wander. There are hidden shops, alleyways, and restaurants everywhere. End to end, Thamel is only about a 15 minute walk one way.
Taxis. I don’t think we paid more than $5 for a taxi anywhere including going to the famous stupa or the airport. We paid about $4 for our taxi to the bus station which would have been a 45 minute walk. We usually negotiated the price down a dollar or two from their initial offer.
Buses. We did not ride any city buses. The main bus station for travel around the country is the Gongabu New Bus Station. The bus to Besi Sahar actually picked up about a five minute walk from here at the BG Mall which we found out on the fly the morning of our trip after our taxi dropped us off at the bus station.

This was PART I of a two part series on the Annapurna Circuit. Stay tune for the second part where I go into detail on the day-by-day journey itself.
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Album of the Year #44: Travis Scott - ASTROWORLD

Artist: Travis Scott | Album: ASTROWORLD
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Travis Scott only had one task after dropping his sophomore album ‘Birds In The Trap Sing McKnight.’ Announcing the title of his third LP before releasing Birds, he set the stage for his most clamored work to date. At this point in his career, he already made the palatial Rodeo, opened for Rihanna on her ANTI Tour, and had a top 20 hit with Antidote. Birds was placed before Astroworld as a holdover, for he mentioned in interviews that it is the true successor to Rodeo. And for that, he stressed composing the project over time, disappointing fans that expected it to land within the same year as Birds. As Scott moved into making 2017 his most colossal year yet, he locked in on a lengthy run of features across projects ranging from Migos’ Culture to SZA’s Ctrl. This cultivated growth in his already enormous fanbase, and he went on tour with Kendrick Lamar for his DAMN Tour to boot.
While waves were being made for him musically, along the way he found himself smitten with Kylie Jenner after Coachella of that year. This proved pivotal in his raps, as she was the inspiration for the lead Astroworld single, Butterfly Effect. While the lyrics appear motivated by MDMA use and an affinity for cars, it was named after their matching butterfly tattoos. Touching on the butterfly effect, their relationship would pan out to their first child together with Stormi a year later. As a further drive for Travis to finish work on the LP, it seemed like ages since the initial reveal. The anticipation increased tenfold once he previewed the opening of Stargazing on his Snapchat. Appearing as the first true taste of Astroworld, he would go on to perform the first half of this song at subsequent shows in the coming months. The months slowed to a crawl with no word on when to expect the album drop, flooding the internet with “drop Astroworld” comments. The only indicator came in June when a demo of Houstonfornication leaked, but unlike other leaks, it was swiftly dissolved by UMG, hinting that it would appear on the project soon. Anticipation and anguish ceased once Travis himself announced the release date on July 31st, and the following Friday the world finally returned to Astroworld.
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Clocking in just under an hour with 17 tracks, Travis relays his largest influences from growing up in Houston; Screwed Up Click and Six Flags Astroworld. While his background is the rapper-producer route, he enlists an ensemble of lauded producers across varying genres to encapsulate his ideas of bringing the park back through music. Along the way, we’re given samples and nods to the Houston and Southern rap scene, particularly from DJ Screw affiliates. No matter if you’re looking at the day or night cover, the focal point is Travis himself, acting as the entrance to the park. This pays homage to the rollercoaster ‘Texas Cyclone’ at Astroworld, and we can assume more of the rides directly inspired some of the tracks on the album.
Beginning our day at the park is Stargazing, the perfect introduction to the atmosphere of “thrills and chills.” An otherworldly beat marked by cooing synths lead into 808s flared with heavy kicks and rattling snares, invoking an infectious pattern for Travis to vocalize over. Immediately we’re hit with references to the Houston scene by, “sipping on purp, feelin like the Barre Baby.” Name-dropping Big Moe, Travis uses the moniker for lean that became prevalent when Barre Pharmaceuticals created the first promethazine and codeine infused cough syrup. Big Moe was a member of the Screwed Up Click and used lean references throughout his career as it became a part of his lifestyle, coming up off freestyling on DJ Screw mixtapes. His style of rapsinging could have arguably played an influence in more artists today including Drake, so it’s nice that Travis gave him a nod to shine light on his legacy. These allusions can be found across ASTROWORLD as Travis commutes the experience of growing up in the Houston area through the prism of trap beats inflecting sensory moments. Stargazing is no exception, ending its introductory section by removing the kicks off Travis crooning into an intermediary phase meant to mimic the effect of a rollercoaster climb. And if you couldn’t pick that up, he sampled live coaster screams to get you there. Right as you accept this, the track cuts to quickly paced unearthly keys in what seems to be panning snares, going completely left field from the first half. Starting the trend of “beat switches” throughout this album, they can be best interpreted as the auditory equivalent of rollercoaster thrill elements, which we’ll delve deeper into later in the tracklisting. For the time being, Travis wastes no time over this electrifying instrumental and recounts the repertoire of his live shows by, “packing out Toyota like I’m in the league / and it ain’t a mosh pit if ain’t no injuries / I got ‘em stage divin out the nosebleeds.” His concerts have been known to be some of the most energetic performances in rap in recent years, and with the increased following he’s gained, he now books entire arenas. After such a dynamic opener, we continue the momentum while we transition from a coaster to Carousel.
We open with a live endorsement from Big Tuck, another Texas rapper who played a role in molding the soundscape Travis imagined for this album. Only changing the phrase from “swag school” to “Astroworld,” he borrows the intro and sample from his song ‘Not A Stain On Me’, which incorporates a Beastie Boys sample from ‘The New Style’ of just the group hollering. Reworking this to gradually build in volume, sequentially adding 808s, and panning the balance from left to right makes the sample become something more than its initial inclusion. The panning chiefly delivers the theme of a carousel in that the audio traverses across your ears, but not to the atrocious levels of the abysmal 8D audio fad. Using that to set the stage, we’re abruptly introduced to a new voice at this point in the record with Frank Ocean delivering a slick chorus. Upon release of the album, the features were unlisted on streaming services and digital copies to act as a surprise for the first listen. These surprises supplemented the theme park aesthetic, pushing the listener to anticipate the next guest. And this would prove to be pivotal on the follow-up, packed with the most twists and turns on any ride yet.
The formidable and transcendent Sicko Mode solidifies Travis’ expertise in curating anthems thus far. Blaring synths akin to Stargazing’s intro seem to guide us on a familiar route, until an “Astro” blips from the most popular rapper on the planet. Judging off the enthralling synths, this seemed like the least likely entry for Drake other than the eponymous title from someone who’s said “sicko” on tracks before, but that only complemented anyone’s astonishment that he would even show up on the album. Travis is aware his audience has been enamored by transitions in his songs, but the first bend on Sicko Mode has him using the rare dime turn with success. With Drake out of the picture, Travis shines in relaying his journey up to this point by citing his Nike deal and having his first child through the means of a Notorious B.I.G. sample and a Jamba Juice nod. Bringing Screwed Up Click back to light, he weaves Swae Lee’s saccharine voice through lines from Houston native Big Hawk. Brother of Fat Pat, together with DJ Screw and Lil Keke, the four came up as pioneering members of the culture embedded in Houston rap. The inclusion of his vocals amplify the track’s importance in bolstering Travis’ curation ability and in delivering interest to Houston’s hip hop roots. This ride isn’t without other well-known nods, tossing in 2 Live Crew’s “don’t stop, pop that pussy”, as he glosses over the 305. And after two verses where we’re comfortable with Travis riding the beat, stammering synths maneuver into our second shift. Considering Drake has taken Tay Keith everywhere with him in 2018, a stop to Astroworld wasn’t out of the question. Recapping the full excursion, the progressive increase in BPM with each piece serves to exemplify the coaster methodology found across the record. Accounting for each soundbite and placement, it should have come out cacophonous and grating, instead driven and thrilling. While he put this shit together acting as the glue, Travis makes the next tune about DJ Screw.
With back to back Swae Lee features, the melodic portions of Astroworld begin to take form. DJ Screw was the integral influencer in sculpting the Houston scene because of his chopped-and-screwed technique. While this track didn’t employ this method on the album version, when listened in sequence its slower tempo exudes the slowed effect. Where they compensate is by repeating lines in tandem, as the chopped portion of the name relates to echoing individual soundbites. One of Travis’ most lauded works, ‘Drugs You Should Try It’ was rumored to have a sequel on this album by its original producer FKi, who only maintains production on this song and 5% Tint, hinting that this may be the next iteration of that sound. But I would personally hope the evolution of Scott’s work dips further in the direction of the upcoming culmination that is Stop Trying To Be God.
Rightfully the longest track on the project, it takes its spot as a long winding coaster absorbed with enveloping the rider in vivid relaxation rather than any shock factor. Assessing the individual components intended for greatness in conjunction, it seems like a combination we don’t deserve. Kid Cudi’s iconic and rich hums, paired with Stevie Wonder’s soulful and poignant harmonica, layered over James Blake’s sultry yet grandiose voice, makes this the sublime time for Travis to tackle the most arduous subject across the entire record. As a general ode not intended for any figure in particular, he reflects on the rift between celebrities receiving godlike worship and said celebrities intending to be a deity themselves. While your fans may “love you”, “it’s never love no matter what you try.” The public’s perception is fickle and only hinges on your success, unlike the people who loved you before the fame and will continue to do so whether you succeed or fail. Recounting “fuck the money, never leave your people behind” and “always keep your circle tight”, it’s clear where he stands on maintaining a god complex. Celebrities typically aren’t focused on bettering the lives of their worshippers, lending credence to the notion that they did not create commandments. Parlaying into the harmonious bridge provided by Blake, “Is it the complex of the saint that’s keepin you so, so, so still?” The goodwill nature of the saint is brought into question, as that’s a complex task to expect from a human. While an artist may believe their voice has a lot to offer in terms of bettering society and individual lives, that’s being laced with the toxic infatuation of being worshipped. Once confronted, the figure is further told by Blake “did you see the void in the past? And can you ever see it coming back?” As a cyclical element embedded in those with star power, the lust for worship is to be resolved with true love not brought about by the fame and fortune. And besides the point, the whole track is carefully crafted with pleasing quirks in the inflection of certain lines, particularly “cause they did not create commandments,” topped off by the intertwining of Blake’s crooning over Wonder’s wonders on the harmonica as a sentimental outro to such a heartfelt track. I have full reason to believe this is the most complete song is Travis’ whole discography, and it’s a pleasure coming back to every time.
It becomes jarring landing in the middle of No Bystanders with Sheck Wes and Juice WRLD leading the chant to fuck the club up. We’re still listening to a Travis Scott album, so there shouldn’t be any shortage of club bangers, and this is no exception. Its placement becomes natural when Skeletons segues in to provide relief from the energy. If we’re still at Astroworld, I’d describe it as the point in your day between rides to grab some food and catch the sun setting over the park in a warm haze. The sole Tame Impala production is clear, with psychedelic elements teetering as several voices creep in and out. The credits on this track almost match up to STTBG, with Parker, The Weeknd, and Pharrell all lending their vocals to enhance the atmosphere budding off the trippy instrumental. The Weeknd in particular appears on the subsequent ballad Wake Up, loaning his vibrant voice to both the chorus and bridge with pleas to his lover.
5% Tint makes use of one of hip-hop’s most iconic piano melodies from Goodie Mob’s ‘Cell Therapy.’ Most interpolations thus far have hailed from Texas based acts, and this sample is indicative of Travis’ love for Atlanta, considering he works with many Atlanta based artists today in shaping the current trap scene. Interpolating “Who’s that peeking in my window? POW, nobody now,” Travis warns the stranger first that he’s equipped with the M4, showing a bit more restraint than the whole group. Each chorus contains high-pitched autotune moans overlaying the main vocals, almost like obscuring the main attraction with smoke and mist. This smoothens the transition to the outro of an angelic voice embedding itself within the chopped and screwed chorus. These vocal tricks aren’t limited here, as they come into play on NC-17 as well. Evoking the eeriest beat yet, I’d imagine this taking place in a haunted house of mirrors. The demonic pitch on the autotune combined with the dark piano riffs present a sense of hopelessness as you’re making your way out, and 21 Savage compliments this ethereal vibe.
Astrothunder touches on Travis’ conflict on his current life goals and desires. He’s stuck between the life you desires of fame, fast cars, and fortune, while feeling he needs to create meaningful experiences as the father of his daughter Stormi. This one is best explained by listening knowing that it’s sponsored by Thundercat basslines and John Mayer on the guitar, making it the perfect song for distancing from everything at any point. In the park setting, it’d be best compared to Astroway, which took parkgoers for a scenic experience. And even though it can’t extend all the way to Yosemite National Park, we still make a stop there for one of the catchiest songs on the tape. Guitar strums and pan flute melodies set the backdrop for Gunna to lay his signature cadence effortlessly to introduce Travis’ verse. Scott’s affinity for Cudi’s music comes into the foreground as he bridges the next chorus with hums over the mesmerizing instrumental, adding slight reverb to enhance the experience. This is where Gunna and Travis share the chorus, as they build up to the lofty denouement, NAV’s verse. Only here is where we discover the full context of the recording, being that Travis and Gunna indeed rented a private jet to make it to Hawaii, not to mention he is in possession of credit cards to which our pupils have never shared light with. But for real, glad they bumped up the volume cause past the memes it threw off my listening every time.
Now Can’t Say offers one of the flashiest and unexpected spectacles yet, a newcomer from Houston with a standout verse. While most of the project was careful to outline the role the previous generation played in cultivating this sound, Don Toliver comes in on this track to show that they have new talent lined up. WondaGurl and London Cyr come together in producing a sinuous, undulating beat perfect for a drug-fueled chronicle on some Houston nights. As Travis tapers off letting us know the vibes are wavy, we get a chopped-and-screwed rendition of Fat Pat’s verse from 25 Lighters blending with Don Toliver tuning in. Fat Pat is as aforementioned was the brother of Big Hawk, also a member of the Screwed Up Click, but was sadly murdered far before his potential peak. Nonetheless, this provides a physical moment showing how Travis is merging the gap between the older generation and the next one up. I’ve seen Toliver’s verse compared to prime T-Pain or Akon, or even Goodie Mob’s own Cee-Lo. I’d say it’s a mix of all of the above and more, adding his own flair here and there, creating individual loops in this coaster.
The follow-up ‘Who? What?’ strikes similar chords to NC-17 and Carousel just now with looping drum patterns instead of piano riffs or hollers, also including a pretty sweet Takeoff verse. Butterfly Effect’s inclusion is funny to me, because I doubt even Travis knew that that was the first single he’d release off Astroworld at the time of its initial launch alongside ‘A man’ and ‘Green & Purple.’ Houstonfornication takes the themes of Californication’s sex, violence, and celebrity and adds on Travis’ other problems he needs to address over another looping instrumental reminiscent of a house of mirrors. Coffee Bean is possibly the steepest departure from anything found on any previous works save for Owl Pharoah. As a track dedicated to his partner Kylie Jenner, Travis responds to any backlash they faced as a couple in the spotlight. Interestingly, he uses his own sound bite of “this is all” almost in a chipmunk soul manner, having it as part of the beat and in the foreground at the end of sporadic lines. Comparing themselves to Bonnie and Clyde, he transitions on and off the coffee bean with each chorus to indicate his internal strife. Kylie is a social media magnate, and Travis prefers to be out of the spotlight and in front of the camera, explaining the lines “stressing over award shows, she’s stressin over her wardrobe” and “I've been going through a lot behind this glass tint.” As the song progresses, it incorporates an orchestra string section and synthesizer, branching this song out from the rest of the album. As his soft-spoken rhymes indulge in the symphony, “this is all” recurs to notify the listener of the album’s inevitable end, which occurs satisfyingly.
Astroworld became a phenomenon instantly, topping the Billboard 200 for two weeks to the dismay of other artists dropping around that time. His pure sales of the record came in second place for any project in 2018, and he enjoyed a Hot 100 presence with his first chart-topper Sicko Mode. The fanbase backing didn’t slow down with just the music, as he embarked on a sold-out arena tour with his Cactus Jack signees, including his first festival. Astrofest took place on the old grounds of Six Flags Astroworld, keeping his seal of faith to bring the park back. Remaining members of the Screwed Up Click were invited and performed at the event, tying the Houston scene into the forefront of his younger fanbase. The accolades since dropping the album substantiated the quality made over the two year wait, and it has undoubtedly been Scott’s most pivotal point in his career yet.
Favorite Lyrics by* Kitchen_Ur_Lies
Packin’ out Toyota like I’m in the league
And it ain’t a mosh pit if ain’t no injuries
I got ‘em stage divin’ out the nosebleeds
  • “Stargazing”
This shit way too big, when we pull up, give me the loot (Gimme the loot!)
Was off the Remy, had a Papoose
Had to hit my old town to duck the news
  • “Sicko Mode”
First rule of war, you find an act on her
You can’t win a trophy or a plaque off her
But never turn your back on her
Cause they did not create commandments
  • “Stop Trying To Be God”
Gotta take a long drive up the hill
Gang too wavy, move like Navy Seals
I’m too wavy, think I need a Lyft
Chicago baby, she just wanna drill
  • “Can’t Say”
Just keep droppin’ them bombs, you should probably save your breath, yeah
We ain’t gone play the steal, why you tryna funk the flex, yeah
  • “Houstonfornication”
I’m just bad, bad news
Good thing, the two
Bonnie and Clyde, the money and who?
  • “Coffee Bean”
Talking Points
  • Where does this rank in his discography?
  • Did the wait substantiate the work, or were you left expecting more?
  • Would you like to see there be a third work in this light, with Rodeo and Astroworld as the first two parts in a trilogy?
  • This album cemented Travis as one of the most popular rappers currently, do you think this steam can materialize in another focused project like Rodeo, or will it chase hits like Sicko Mode?
  • Is there any dream collab that Travis hasn't done yet?
  • Sicko Mode or Mo Bamba?
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Author jaywarbs
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Posted On Mon Jan 20 22:57:18 UTC 2020
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Author auntzelda666
Posted On Tue Jan 21 01:58:57 UTC 2020
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Jehovah’s Witnesses actually don’t believe regular people go to heaven. Only 144,000 go to heaven (the Anointed) and everyone else lives in paradise on earth. Could it have actually been a different religion?
There is a “shortage” of stories thanking witnesses because it is a harmful cult. I’m not saying there aren’t kind individuals within the religion, but the organization’s practices are cruel and isolating.
I am glad your dad found peace at the end but the Watchtower Association is toxic. They also have a long history of covering up child abuse.
Source: raised Jehovah’s Witness and finally was able to leave as an adult.
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Author Synthase118
Posted On Wed Jan 22 21:05:33 UTC 2020
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If random YouTube videos have taught me anything, it’s that you should tell them you are an apostate. Apparently most of them will refuse to speak to you or even look at you.
Edit: That being said, Brenda might just be pretending to be out door knocking. That story was pretty aggressive.
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Author HenkieVV
Posted On Tue Jan 21 07:09:48 UTC 2020
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I think Brenda's point is that while LAOP could file a restraining order against Brenda, LAOP couldn't file a restraining order against all JW's in a single go, meaning some other JW could show up in stead of Brenda.
That's probably true, but it's probably worth trying to get a restraining order against Brenda anyway. There's a decent chance the next one to show up won't quite try to break into your house.
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Author AllRightDoublePrizes
Posted On Wed Jan 22 17:47:24 UTC 2020
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As an ex JW I don't like how believable this story sounds. Obviously this is not standard procedure but I have no doubt beleiving some nutcase uber dub is harassing this poor woman. We were taught how to be persistent and get past "conversation stoppers" like "in not interested" or "I already practice a religion", but what this lady is doing is absurd. The local kingdom hall and body of elders (i.e. The local dudes who give the orders) should be all over stopping this as it "brings reproach upon jehovahs name". Many things we weren't allowed to do were in the favor of not making the whole group look insane or like we worshiped a crazy god. This kind of behavior would have been haulted pretty quickly at my old congregation.
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Author ComingUpWaters
Posted On Wed Jan 22 03:00:22 UTC 2020
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She hasn't trespassed tho, punching a door to door salesman sounds like a dumb thing to do.
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Author ComingUpWaters
Posted On Wed Jan 22 03:53:53 UTC 2020
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My bad, you're right. Jumping to physical violence over it is a bit of a step tho, wouldn't JWs be trained on how to react to a physical confrontation? I'd imagine you're getting the cops called on you immediately and a nice he said she said situation.
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Author Kasparian
Posted On Tue Jan 21 00:03:58 UTC 2020
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The JWs in my area don’t even go door to door. They send their pitch via snail mail. I’ve gotten their pamphlet and a handwritten letter about six times now fully addressed and sent with actual postage. I am always tempted to write something scathing back but I just throw the stuff away in the end.
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Author JakobWulfkind
Posted On Tue Jan 21 08:51:16 UTC 2020
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Ah, Jehovah's witnesses, the gold standard of "don't know when to quit". I had one cross a caution tape line while I was etching a circuit board, and she spilled a flask of cupric chloride on me and ruined my best lab coat.
Note that cupric chloride is nasty stuff -- it's green, it bubbles violently, and emits chlorine gas. I was wearing a lab coat, gas mask, and heavy gloves while handling it and had put up a ten-foot perimeter of caution tape, and she still felt comfortable walking straight up to my table and yammering at me for two minutes before causing an acid spill.
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Author damnisuckatreddit
Posted On Tue Jan 21 07:30:39 UTC 2020
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One of the best things about accidentally moving to an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood is the JWs and Mormons stay faaaar away.
We've had one JW in almost three years; soon as I figured out what he was about I considered asking if he knew where he was, but then he got kinda pushy so I just shut the door instead. About two minutes later heard my neighbor launching into a full-on Jewish mother rage lecture and looked out to see JW dude hauling ass down the street. Never saw him again.
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Author Margita00
Posted On Tue Jan 21 00:37:54 UTC 2020
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I wonder if this "Brenda" person is even a JW or not. I've had JWs and Mormons at my door and they've never tried coming in when I didn't answer the door. They just leave their little pamphlets at the door and that's it. I feel like this "Brenda's" behavior is such that she's either a mental case or is she actually a scam artist or some kind of thief or something along that line.
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Author Coulrophiliac444
Posted On Tue Jan 21 00:28:27 UTC 2020
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considering some things that JW's have been known to do to keep children or recently non-minor insividuals from leaving, or declaring them apostate and non-communicable on penalty of excommunication, I can think the Church will look the other way.
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Author khegiobridge
Posted On Tue Jan 21 19:56:11 UTC 2020
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Hmm. When I moved to the small town I'm in for a new job, I stayed at my cousin's home for a month; her, her 11 year old nephew and I in a big three bedroom. I worked 6-7 days a week, often 10-12 hour days, paid my cousin $400 a month, and came home to mainly sleep; there was zero hanky panky going on. Now my cousin is very involved in the Jehovah Witnesses, going to meeting and doing volunteer work. When her elder found out she was living with a single man thirty years older than her, he set up a meeting and told her I had to leave immediately or she had to leave the JWs. She came home crying and we talked; the elder had done his homework on my background and knew I was recently divorced and an Army veteran and other stuff. Very creepy. Two days later I had a small apartment close to work; then the JW visits started. Six times in six months a team of two women and a man would knock on my door an hour or two after I'd get home. The last two times I simply didn't answer the door and sat by my big living room window staring at the JWs until they got tired of knocking and left. I haven't had a visit in the last six years. I don't know if this rises to the level of being stalked but I was legit creeped out.
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Author AllRightDoublePrizes
Posted On Wed Jan 22 22:39:10 UTC 2020
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Ya it could definitely be word of mouth of some kind, or like if I went to a door that had a bunch of polish all over it or was obviously spanish in some way, sometimes I wouldn't even bother with the initial knock and just leave and send the form in.
The JWs are crazy and take the preaching they do very seriously. To them they are literally giving you the gift of everlasting life on a paradise earth after god kills all the non believers in an indeterminate, but SOON, amount of time, if they can convert you. So... Some of them definitely go overboard or beyond conventional social norms.
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Author Phate4569
Posted On Tue Jan 21 12:18:35 UTC 2020
Score 21 as of Wed Jan 22 22:40:19 UTC 2020
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She's a mental case, I've known a few JWs like her.
Our family (extended, 5 households total) had our JW who was a wonderful little old lady. She'd sit and chat for hours, mostly about non-religious stuff, and you never felt pressured. She was an absolute joy to have visit. As she got older she'd bring people with her (once she got to her late 70's she couldn't drive herself), and some of them were pushy and awful. Once when she was in the hospital one of these ladies decided it was her mission to spread the word to our family. She'd visit each house daily, banging on doors, windows and the like. We'd hear from neighbors about the ruckus she was causing. We told her many times to go away. Thankfully when our JW came back we told her about it and we never saw that lady again and our JW was much more selective of those she brought around.
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Author dykexdaddy
Posted On Wed Jan 22 21:05:29 UTC 2020
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My grandma became a JW after my grandfather died basically just because she was lonely and not good at making friends (he was very abusive and also had been terminally ill for like fifteen years out of sheer stubbornness so outside from my mom and her siblings, most of whom are drug-addled disasters, she has zero social connections whatsoever). She lives with my parents now and still goes to church but also low-key loves doing all the things she's not supposed to, like wearing pants and celebrating holidays
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Author AllRightDoublePrizes
Posted On Wed Jan 22 17:20:48 UTC 2020
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I can answer as a former JW. When going door to door if we encounter someone who doesn't speak the normal language of the area we were instructed to use a little book that had a world map and demonstrate to them to try and get the to point to thier homeland. The we would flip to that page in the book and point to a paragraph that was in that countries native tongue basically telling them why we were there and asking if we could bring them literature in thier language. If we met someone who was deaf we could show them the same thing in English. In either case we were supposed to fill out a little form that states the address of the homeowner, the language, if interest was shown or not and submit it to the headquarters. Headquarters would then find the closest congregation of JWs that met in that language or sign language and send 2 people from that congregation to follow up in Asl/Spanish/whatever.
As an aside, JW literature is available in like 150+ languages, so you can't really be like oh i speak tagalog or something. They'll get you tagalog literature and expect you to be happy when they bring it lol.
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Author DarlingBri
Posted On Tue Jan 21 00:30:04 UTC 2020
Score 132 as of Wed Jan 22 22:40:19 UTC 2020
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While I don't agree with the notion that knocking on doors and talking to people could convert someone
It does. Pew Research says 65% of JW's are converts and they pull a lot from doorstep knockers. Mormons on missions may only convert one person on a two year mission, but it isn't zero.
People are lonely, people need help, people are vulnerable to those offering community and fellowship.
Why is she going through this much trouble for one family, anyways?
Unaddressed mental illness seems like a good guess to me.
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Author only1genevieve
Posted On Tue Jan 21 00:06:37 UTC 2020
Score 205 as of Wed Jan 22 22:40:19 UTC 2020
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Given that the "JW" (note quotations) turned up while LAOP was heavily pregnant and got all of the schedules, I'm very suspicious of this woman and would be curious if she's actually affiliated with the church or of she's just using it as a ruse to keep coming by. Or maybe I'm just fortunate in that I've never, ever had a JW try to enter my home without permission in addition to being naturally suspicious of older women who appear and try to gain access to heavily pregnant women/new babies out of the blue*.
*Thanks Google News targeted stories?
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Author Frillshark
Posted On Tue Jan 21 03:52:06 UTC 2020
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It does. Pew Research says 65% of JW's are converts and they pull a lot from doorstep knockers. Mormons on missions may only convert one person on a two year mission, but it isn't zero.
Well, TIL.
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Author AutumnalSunshine
Posted On Tue Jan 21 01:03:21 UTC 2020
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My lifelong atheist father apparently started having loooonnnngggg talks with visiting JWs after my mom's death. When he was dying, he was at peace with the idea, saying he just wanted to be in heaven with his wife again. This is after 70-some years of publicly mocking all religion. 🙄
I could never have gotten him to be ok with his rapidly approaching death, but they did.
I feel like there is a shortage of "Thanks, JW" stories, so I thought I'd toss that out there.
Edit: it's a cult. Children are abused. Sorry.
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Author GracefulKluts
Posted On Mon Jan 20 23:43:23 UTC 2020
Score 148 as of Wed Jan 22 22:40:19 UTC 2020
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I'll try my hand at LocationBots assistant~
Being harassed by Jehovah's Witnesses, what actions do I need to take?
TL;DR: Jehovah's Witnesses have tried to enter my home without my permission. They know I can't get a restraining order. What can I do??
The long version:
We have 3 access points to our house - Door 1, Door 2 and Door 3. We have no access to answering Door 2 (we don'tuse it as an entrance point so always have a vacuum and a pram placed in front of it), so if someone knocks, we have to walk outside from Door 1 and do the whole, "hi, we don't use that door" thing. Door 3 is a set of glass patio doors. This is relevant for later.
4 months ago, Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on Door 2. I walked round to the side to see who it was and was ambushed into conversation by Brenda, and it became very obviously immediately that she as a JW. I was 9 months pregnant at that point and Brenda asked me a lot of questions about my maternity leave and my husband's schedule. I thought the questions were innocent enough and answered them.
Since then, every week she has been back. Sometimes two or three times a week, but always at least once. She always brings a different person with her. I have asked her several times to stop coming back and to leave me alone. I feel like I have been targeted because she knows I am at home alone and therefore vulnerable.
I constantly have my blinds drawn and I am afraid to answer the door. She has tried several times to enter my home and I have always shut the door in time. I haven't answered the door in weeks. My husband is furious about the situation but he is never home when they knock.
About a month ago, I informed Brenda if she didn't leave me alone, I would file a restraining order. She said I couldn't do that as it was religious discrimination and that I can't file an RO against a whole church. I might be able to stop her from coming, but there would always be other people from the Church to come round. This weirded me out at the time but I gathered she was probably right. I told her to fuck off anyway and have gone back to ignoring the door.
Today, however, it went too far and I am genuinely nervous. There was a knock at Door 2. I am expecting an Amazon package so went out the front. I saw Brenda, said, "you need to leave me ALONE" and ran back inside. I locked Door 1 behind me.
I sat in the front room with my baby with the blinds down. She began hammering on the bay window as she walked from Door 2 to Door 1. When she got to Door 1, she began viciously attacking the door. I am not exaggerating. She was hammering on the door as hard as she could. I stood in the door frame to the living room and watched the door handle going up and down as she tried to enter. I stayed silent.
The person she had brought with her was stood at Door 2, I could see the silhouette through the frosted glass. They did not move from door 2 the entire time.
After 3 or 4 minutes of her trying to open Door 1, she walked around the side, again hammering on the bay window. I stood still for about a minute in the door frame. I was about to turn around, but then I saw Brenda stood at Door 3. From where I was stood, I could see out to Door 3, but someone stood at Door 3 would not have been able to see me.
She was trying to open Door 3 silently. I always keep that door locked thankfully. After roughly a minute of her trying to get in, she began pounding the glass.
This went on for about 10 minutes. I phoned the non-emergency police line and told them I felt like I was being harassed. The woman I spoke to was lovely and told me she could hear the noises through the phone.
She said I needed to phone the Church they were from, speak to the leader and file a complaint. She advised me to go to the Citizen's Advice Bureau and ask for help drafting a legal letter telling them they needed to stop. She told me that if they continued, she had logged the incident, and said I needed to phone back and quote that reference number as they would then send police officers to the Church to have a word.
After this call, I phoned CAB to try make an appointment and was told it would be 6 weeks, or I could try going in for a walk in appointment. I can't go to a walk in as I have a 3.5 month old baby and we would be there for hours. I also think 6 weeks is too long for me to be living in fear of answering my own front door.
I then tried to phone the branch Brenda is from. I live in Huddersfield, and when you google "Kingdom Hall Huddersfield", no phone number for that branch comes up ANYWHERE. Mirfield and Brighouse both have numbers though which I called.
Mirfield went straight to voicemail. Brighouse answered, but would not transfer me to Huddersfield. They transferred me to their service department in London.
The operator refused to give me the phone number for the Huddersfield branch. He said he could take my name and number and they could call me back. I refused to give my number and said I urgently needed to speak to the Huddersfield branch leader. He asked why, and I took a leap of faith and told him the truth. He told me that he could not give me the number, but he could take my name and number.
At this point I was pissed off, said some rude things and hung up.
I'm annoyed and distressed. I want this to end. I felt like I was in a bloody horror movie watching her try claw her way through Door 3.
HOW can I get this to end?? Should I phone the police again? Do I need to draft a cease and desist letter? Is it true I can't get an RO? Is there some sort of law they are breaking by trying to enter my home?
Please help. Thanks in advance.
ETA: I have made an appointment with CAB, but was hoping anyone would have any advice for something that is a bit more immediate.
Edit: Thank you so much for all the replies! I got a lot more help than I was expecting, so I'm sorry I can't reply to you all but rest assured I am reading EVERYTHING. A lot of people are recommending I call 01484 310832. That is for the Colne Valley Huddersfield constituency, not the Kirklees one who I am being harassed by! I have called every number I can Google and none of them have been for Kirklees!
Sorry, another edit: I DO NOT hate Jehovah's Witnesses. I am usually more than happy to have a 10 minute chat, which is why I didn't turn Brenda away when I first met her. This behaviour is completely out of the ordinary and today it genuinely terrified me. I did not mean to come across as though I think this is normal JW behaviour, I am very aware that it isn't, which is why I'm asking for help. Thanks!
Edit for catfact-
Adult cats only meow to humans, not other cats. So when you think you're having a cute conversation with your feline overlord, you're likely speaking jibberish and they're attempting to correct your grammar.
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Author Bytemite
Posted On Tue Jan 21 15:00:03 UTC 2020
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I feel like whether she's Jehova's witness or not, the real target here is the baby.
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Author Hysterymystery
Posted On Wed Jan 22 19:06:55 UTC 2020
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The way she was telling the story, this was her first encounter! The only thing I can think is that Unbeknownst to her maybe she had a JW neighbor and they sent someone her way
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Author wirette
Posted On Tue Jan 21 00:38:38 UTC 2020
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I grew up in West Yorkshire. Not in Kirklees, but I always thought it was pretty okay. The kind of area that would get a lot of the "and finally" stories on the local news. Not an area with rowdy JWs. The JWs in Wakefield could get a bit pushy, but never as bad as fucking Brenda.
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Author Hysterymystery
Posted On Tue Jan 21 22:32:07 UTC 2020
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This. Is. Terrifying.
A deaf friend told me that JW's randomly showed up at her house unannounced speaking ASL. Definitely nice to find people who speak your language but wtf. How did they know she was deaf. One Scary encounter!
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Author Anarcho_Crim
Posted On Tue Jan 21 02:35:33 UTC 2020
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There's a shortage of feel good JW stories for a reason. If cults were 100% bad 100% of the time no one would join. JWs are notorious for swooping in on the vulnerable. This includes the dying and loved ones of the dead and dying. Check out their sympathy cards.
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Author chewinghair
Posted On Tue Jan 21 11:25:39 UTC 2020
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Does anybody know if the disfellowshipped thing would work? Assuming of course she isn't just somebody off their meds who got fixated on LAOP.
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Has anyone heard of the Left/Right Game? (Part 9)

Sorry I’ve not been in touch guys. It’s been a busy month. However, I’m pleased to announce that, as of yesterday night, I’ve finally touched down in Phoenix, Arizona.
I’m posting this log from my first American hotel room, which offers a gorgeous view of both the state hospital and a local prison. Auspicious times.
Drop me a line if you’re in the city or if you have any information at all.
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The Left/Right Game [DRAFT 1] 15/02/2017
As the darkness closes in, I find myself dragged deeper and deeper into the depths of my own subconscious, until I sink through the back of my mind into an indescribable place. A featureless, directionless, timeless void that exists at the weakest point of life.
I can feel myself drifting away, surrendered to an almost imperceptible tide, carried slowly but inexorably from the world.
The rest of the night unfolds in fleeting snapshots.
I briefly feel my body lift up from the ground, gravity pulling at my limbs as I’m conveyed through the forest.
An unknowable stretch of time later, I feel a distinct burning sensation to my right. In the world I currently inhabit, only an echo of the pain reaches me, but I can tell that it was once substantial. Unable to divine its purpose, I let the sensation fade away, before descending once more into the placid darkness.
When my eyes finally work themselves open, the sun is beginning to rise. Without an ounce of strength left in my body, all I can do is peer through my eyelashes, taking in the vague scene before me.
I’m in the back of the Wrangler, propped up against a soft pillar of luggage. There's somebody kneeling beside me, tugging at my right shoulder. When I try to address them, I discover that my voice has withered to a spectral whisper, so frail that it hardly exists at all.
AS: … Rob…
Hearing my voice, the figure shuffles round and kneels before me, staring into my eyes as they slowly regain their focus.
ROB: You just lay back Miss Sharma, I just finished patchin’ you up but I gotta make sure it’s good work.
AS: Wh… what happened to you?
ROB: Denise had me at gunpoint, had to act like I was all but dead. When she into the forest, I got free, took the med kit into the trees, fixed myself up a little. I was comin’ to help when I heard this awful noise. Went to check it out... that’s when I found you.
AS:... Is the engine running?
ROB: Wanted to warm up the place for you. You were in shock, and since the battery don’t run down anymore I thought-
AS: No I mean… how? The key, it got-
ROB: You think I’d risk gettin’ out this far with only one copy of my car key?
Rob seems almost insulted, and thinking back to everything I’ve learned about him over the course of this trip, I can see why he might be. Even in my weakened state I can’t help but laugh; though it admittedly comes out as stilted wheezing, diffusing quietly into the air.
AS: No that’s… that’s actually very “you”. I think Bluejay would’ve appreciated that information last night.
ROB: Yeah well, she didn’t ask.
AS: … I’m glad you made it Rob.
ROB: Glad you made it too. They build’em tough down in London.
I rest my head back against the luggage.
AS: I’m from Bristol.
ROB: Of course… yeah of course that’s… sorry…
Rob tries to recover his smile, but it slips quickly from his grasp. In its absence, his features cringe into sudden, uncontrollable sadness.
ROB: Miss Sharma I’m sorry! I’m so sorry!
Rob Guthard’s weathered face bursts into a heaving mess of tears. He repeats those two words as he lumbers towards me, throwing his arms around my waist and resting his head on my left shoulder. My hand feels like lead as I raise it up and brush it against his hair, holding him against me.
As the man continues to sob, I let my head roll slowly to the right, observing the damage to my arm. Last night, lost in the muddled throes of shock, the harm had been unquantifiable, the details drowned out by the encompassing haze of severe blood loss and a blaring, primal alarm which had forced me to move without questioning why. Now that I’m on the other side, bathed in the quiet warmth of the Wrangler, I’m able to fully assess the extent of my injury.
Everything below my right elbow is gone.
It feels almost like a dream. My upper arm is practically unblemished, save for a few dark bruises from last night’s fall, yet it descends an impossibly short distance before ending in a blunt, surreal stump. The wound itself is hidden from view, swaddled in fresh white bandages.
I can’t seem to figure out how I should feel and, consequently, I don’t seem to feel anything.
AS: It’s ok Rob. It’s ok.
ROB: I never… I never meant for any of this to-
AS: I know… I know.
Rob pulls back, his eyes still watering.
ROB: I’ll take you home, ok? I’ll find somewhere to turn around and we’ll get you home.
I can tell Rob’s offer is genuine, and to be honest I’m a little surprised. I still remember our verbal agreement, forged at the mouth of the tunnel; that he would not be turning his car around until he reached the road’s end. I never expected he’d be the one to renege on the deal.
I’m aware this could be my best chance to leave it all behind; to flee from the horrors of the road, before they take even more of me. I know the way back. I know that it leads to safety, to family, to blessed normality. However, as an insidious voice in the back of my mind quietly notes, it doesn’t lead to answers.
AS:... I’m still game if you are.
Rob sends me a heartbroken smile, which I would return if I had the strength. In that moment, a sombre understanding develops between us. An understanding that after everything we’ve seen, everything that’s happened, we’re both still choosing the secrets of the road. The decision reveals something about us, exposing a driving force behind our actions that negates our concern for survival, and overshadows the imagined protests of our loved ones.
It’s a decision only two broken people would make.
Rob spends the morning packing up the Wrangler, giving me time to rest. The fact that he’s walking around at all is remarkable, let alone conducting his usual routine at his usual pace. As I begin to feel life crawl slowly back into my veins, I wonder whether the strange force that has sustained us both, as well as the Wrangler’s fuel tank, could also have a mild restorative effect. The notion should bring me comfort; instead it makes me feel like a lobster in a tank.
A few hours later, Rob carries me out of the car, letting me rest in the doorframe. In front of me lie three mounds of dirt, raised slightly from the surrounding earth. Two are headed by crosses, formed from knotted sticks bound tightly together. The grave on the far left lies bare, bereft of any religious affiliation.
AS: Is that… Bluejay’s? Without the cross?
ROB: Didn’t think she’d want one.
AS: She wouldn’t have done that for you, you know.
ROB: Good thing I ain’t her then. I buried what I can, but that was some state she was in. Did the child kill her?
Rob goes to throw a foldable spade into the back of the car. For a brief moment, I consider letting his statement go unanswered.
AS: No, it didn’t… I did.
Rob immediately marches back round, his brow furrowed in confusion.
AS: I hid a C4 charge in my satchel. When she took the bag I… well…
I gesture to the bare grave. Rob looks as if he’s seeing me for the first time.
ROB: Where did you-
AS: From your son’s car.
I watch as my quiet assertion strikes Rob’s ears, as its meaning burrows through his consciousness, its implications contorting his features into a look of shame and damning revelation.
I can tell from his reaction that I’ve got it right.
We haven’t had a chance to speak since I learned his son’s name. That piece of information formed the crucial thread, stringing together the strange and seemingly incongruent discoveries I’d encountered on the road. Earlier in the week I may have been worried to confront him with this information, but things are different now. We’ve come too far, we’ve been through too much and, if he’s truly ferrying me somewhere with malicious intent, I’m powerless to stop him anyway.
I raise a weak hand towards him; a quiet request for assistance.
AS: I think it’s time we had a second interview.
Following a tense and guilty silence, Rob simply nods and helps me into the passenger seat.
ROB: It wasn’t military. It was commercial.
The Wrangler continues to crawl through the forest. I’ve stayed quiet for almost half an hour, letting Rob formulate a response in his own words, and in his own time.
AS: Commercial?
ROB: Yeah, explosive charges for controlled demolition. Bobby was in the business, had his own firm.
AS: You must’ve been proud.
ROB: Yeah… yeah he built that place up from nothin’. Tourin’ his office was one of the best days of my life.
AS: So… how did he end up out here?
Rob grows quiet, reluctantly accepting that he’ll have to start from the beginning.
ROB: … Bobby was a smart kid… smarter than I ever was. He coulda run the farm at 15 but, country life didn’t take. Instead he moved away to Phoenix, picked up a college degree, got himself a steady career.
AS: A steady career? That’s pretty rebellious for a Guthard.
ROB: Hah… well we were pretty different people… didn’t always get along. I was still a courier in those days, always jettin’ off somewhere new. ‘Course I went to Japan, stayed there a while. Then…
AS: Aokigahara.
ROB: That’s right. Changed everythin’. Came home after five years with a new hobby. Bobby didn’t care for the stories but... his ma had died sudden while I was away; we both wanted to start over, be in each other’s lives more so... he came with me to the Pacific North West, trackin’ down Sasquatch. Creature didn’t show, but Bobby had a good time campin’ so he kept joinin’ me. Before long he was doin’ the research himself, organisin’ trips, pickin’ up rumours of strange stuff all across the country.
AS: Sounds like a nice time for you both.
ROB: It was.
AS: So… was it Bobby who discovered the Left/Right Game?
ROB: … He called me up one day, outta the blue. This was about three years ago. Said he’d found a set of rules; said we should try out. To be honest, I thought our trippin’ days were over; I was back in Alabama and he was startin’ up a family of his own, but suddenly he’s tellin’ me to meet him in Phoenix so, of course I went along.
AS: And this time, you both realised it was real.
ROB: Bobby knew as soon as we reached the tunnel. He passed that way every day, knew it wasn’t supposed to be there but… there it was. He said that was the most amazing thing he ever saw. We charted it over the next year, whenever we could get the time together, but we moved slow, mapped the place out, turned back on the regular. It took us a while before we got the courage to stay on the road overnight, both of us were terrified the tunnel would disappear or somethin’.
I can tell Rob is replaying the events in his head. The reminiscence almost makes him smile.
ROB: Bobby’s wife was a real doll. Used to work in his office. Kindest girl I ever met, funny too. There was a decade between’em but you could tell they were good for each other. He shared everything with her, including the road. In fact, once Bobby got a little more secure with the rules, they started to map it together…explorin’ their own little world.
After a brief pause, Rob’s expression sinks slightly; the reminiscence is growing darker.
ROB: Few months go by, I’m hearin’ from Bobby a little less but, I expected that. Then one evenin’ I get a call from the hospital, tellin’ me my boy had walked into some ER in Phoenix.
AS: Was he ok?
ROB: No. He was in a bad way. Leg all busted up, delirious, askin’ for Marjorie. They found her bag in his car but... she was nowhere to be found.
AS: Bobby lost her on the road.
ROB: Yeah, that’s right.
AS: On our second night here, after we lost Ace, you told me the road had never hurt anyone before.
ROB: Well, that wasn’t a lie at least. It wasn’t the road that got’em.
AS: … What do you mean?
ROB: They made it to the forest. None of us had got that far before but… this time they pushed a little further than usual.
AS: Do you know why?
ROB: They were gonna have a kid. Marjorie was almost due… wasn’t travellin’ so well. I think they knew they wouldn’t be hittin’ the road for a while. It was like a uh… like a last hurrah I guess.
AS: But only Bobby came back?
ROB: They explored the woods till nightfall. When Bobby said they had to turn back… Marjorie didn’t want to. He never told me why, never told me what happened. By the end of that trip, Marjorie was still out there and he was in a hospital bed.
Rob takes a moment to collect himself, to put the facts in order. The trees are starting to grow thin, sunlight bursting through the widening gaps in the canopy. It looks like we’re nearing the forest’s end.
ROB: Bobby took a month or so to recover. Boy was desperate to get his wife back, and of course he’d become a suspect in her disappearance. Needless to say the first thing he did was head onto the road to find Marjorie.
AS: But he didn’t.
ROB: Nope… No he found her. Just uh… a little sooner than he thought.
I take a moment to process Rob’s implication. Suddenly I feel a stone drop in my stomach.
AS: She was on the 34th turn.
Rob nods solemnly.
ROB: Wasn’t the woman he knew of course. Stood there all day, just mumblin’ about the road. Didn’t even recognise him. I remember he called me up right after he first saw her there, his heart breakin’. He tried almost every day from then on, always stoppin’ at that turn. He’d yell, he’d plead, he’d bring pictures and gifts but… she never responded. Don’t know if it was really her but, whatever was on that corner, it belonged to the road.
ROB: Bobby lost somethin’ of himself on that corner. After a while, his fascination with the game turned sour, turned to hate. He thought the road was somethin’ evil, that it had no place linking into our world.
ROB: I was checkin’ up on him at that point, every few days or so. One weekend he said he was doin’ better, even said he’d been in to work. I thought maybe things were turnin’ round but... then he went quiet; didn’t pick up his phone for three days. I had my place in Phoenix by that point, and a spare key to his house. That’s where I found the note; tellin’ me he’d gone back through. One last bid to find his wife… and if he couldn’t bring her back well-
AS: He was going to destroy the tunnel.
ROB: Cut the road off from the world. I played the game in Phoenix, Chicago, a few different places, but that one tunnel is what links you to the road. I looked around his garage, found the box for a phone, lot of electronics all over the place… pretty clear what he’d done. So I jump in my car.
We pass out of the forest, onto a long narrow road. In the distance, I can see our route winding up a towering wall of sandstone, disappearing into a set of rolling mountains.
ROB: He passed me on his way back, just before I hit Jubilation. Thunderin’ down the road at full speed, drivin’ like crazy. That’s when I knew he hadn’t found her… that he was goin’ to take out the tunnel, end the game once and for all.
AS: But he never got that far.
ROB: I tried to talk to him. Called his cell, tried the radio frequencies, there was a number on the sim card documentation that he had, god help me I even messaged him on that one. In the end it was just me and him, racin’ back to Phoenix. He was faster than me but I was drivin’ better. After few bad corners I caught up...
AS: You ran him off the road.
Rob stares out at the faraway ridges, his hands grasping the steering wheel.
ROB: Cell service don’t work through the tunnel. He knew that. He was either goin’ to blow it up on this side… or while he was in there.
AS: So you were trying to save him or save yourself?
ROB: Neither. I was tryin’ to save the road... Say what you want about this place Miss Sharma, but it’s a doorway out of everythin’ we ever known. It’s the road out of… out of reality. It may be the most significant frontier we ever cross and that’s… part of me knew, that was too important for one man to take away.
For the second time today, Rob battles back tears, and for the second time, he fails. They roll silently down his cheek as he continues on.
ROB: He was more injured than I thought. He’d hurt himself bad before he reached me, that’s why he was headed to the tunnel so quick. He wanted to destroy it while he still could.
ROB: The road had taken almost everythin’ from him, and then I took the rest… I denied him his hope, took away his chance to leave the world on his own terms. In the end he didn’t even seem angry… he just asked after Marjorie. Asked me why she did it, why she left. I laid him to rest there, visited the place often but… I never had a good answer for him. That’s when I started preppin’ the next run.
AS: So you posted his logs online, and pretended to discover them.
ROB: Thought people would ask less questions that way.
AS: And where did we all fit in to this? Why did you bring us here with you?
ROB: I guess… I thought it was time the world knew. Didn’t want all this to end up an old man’s secret. Honest to God, if I knew the road was gonna… I swear I never woulda brought you here.
Rob’s features tighten, all his shame and guilt rising to the fore. I can’t say it isn’t deserved. Despite his intentions, despite his penitence, the man had blinded himself to clear dangers, hurt those closest to him and, on a road where secrets had killed so many, he’d kept the most significant one of all.
Well, perhaps not the most significant.
AS: You didn’t bring us here Rob.
Rob turns to me, confused.
AS: I met someone in the forest last night, a figure, just like the one you saw in Japan, “looked like static you see on a TV screen” … I think it was you Rob. I think I saw you and I think that… all those years ago…
In my current state, the mechanics of the event, and their stunning implications, lie beyond my explanatory capacity. In the end, I just raise my lost right arm, and wait for Rob to make the connection.
A moment later the car screeches to a halt.
Rob stares straight ahead, his knuckles white against the steering wheel. I’m aware that beneath his stone-set features, every square inch of grey matter is fighting to process the fresh revelation. If it’s true that, in those quiet woods, I somehow reached across the decades to a young Rob Guthard, then it changes everything. The twisting narratives that led us to this point, Rob’s burgeoning obsession, his son’s tragic fate, they all took root in that single moment. More than a decade prior to my own birth, I’d placed us on the path which would lead me to his door.
As chaotic as the road often seems, that moment in the forest hints at something deeper, something intentional.
Rob steps out of the car for a while, before wordlessly climbing back in and firing up the Wrangler. From that point on we continue as two silent passengers, lost in thought, disappearing into the sandstone mountains.
We travel across the thin mountain road for the next two hours, a wall of crooked rock hemming us in. When we pass onto the other side, and the outcrop falls away, the landscape below us has changed completely, and we’re treated to a strange and breath-taking sight.
The Wrangler is traversing the cliffs above a vast, flat desert; a tundra of vibrant orange stretching as far as the eye can see. I can just make out the road, cutting a meandering path through the sand far below us. At the centre of this otherwise featureless expanse, a collection of monolithic structures, towering columns of glass and metal, rise from the ground, connected by a web of long perpendicular streets.
AS: There’s a city… there’s a city on the road.
Rob keeps his eyes forward. Despite the epic majesty of the cityscape below us. I can tell that his mind is elsewhere, that he’s still digesting the contents of our interview. In the end, I think it best to leave him alone with his thoughts.
We stay on the mountain for another twenty minutes, before finally winding down to the desert floor. The space ahead of us is two-tone; the sharp saffron of the desert and the deep blue sky, separated by a thin, even horizon. The only objects that cross this perfect boundary, are the hulking grey towers of the city, rising from the sand, and bursting through into the heavens.
We snake along the desert road, the city looming ever larger as we make our tentative approach toward the border. There’s an eerie contrast to the threshold as we cross it; the cupreous glow of the sand switches to grey, the scorching heat instantly cools, and perhaps most notably, what little sound there was is negated entirely. As we delve down an empty, perfectly maintained throughway, I realise that I can’t hear anything at all except for the Wrangler’s steady rumblings.
AS: It’s quiet.
ROB: That’s fine by me.
AS: Who do you think built this place?
ROB: I don’t know. Maybe whatever brought us here. Could be that no one built it… maybe it just is.
I wonder if he’s right. It’s hard to think such a place would exist for any practical purpose. The city looks off somehow, as if it was built from conjecture, by an architect who had only heard of cities through poorly translated rumour. All the broad features are present, skyscrapers, lampposts, window cleaning platforms, but nothing deeper. It’s an empty shell. An ornament in the middle of the desert.
As we turn down the next few roads, I stare up at the monolithic structures, each one standing at least a hundred stories tall. My eyes track back down the countless strata of dark windows, as I contemplate what it might be like to live in such a place.
When I reach the ground floor, I’m presented with my answer.
There’s a young man standing at the ground floor window, his hand resting against the glass. He’s wearing a dark grey suit, and a look of almost mesmeric shock. His mouth open, his hands shaking, his unblinking eyes staring past us as the Wrangler rolls by.
My eyes quickly track back up the skyscraper’s glass facade, scrutinising each row of windows in turn. I’d naively hoped the buildings would be empty, that this place would be nothing more than a colossal ghost town. Now that I know otherwise, each pane of glass feels like a dark pool of water; still on the surface, but with sinister potential lurking within its depths.
A few seconds later, more of them arrive. There aren’t many at first; just a few scattered figures stepping up to their windows, pressing themselves against to the glass. However, like a light sprinkling of rain that erupts into a downpour, the frequency of their arrival quickly doubles, then triples, until not a single space lies unoccupied. The Wrangler shrinks, subject to the scrutiny of countless individuals, on every floor, in every window, all of them clad in the same monochromatic formalwear and staring down at us like the emissaries of a grand tribunal. As the Wrangler passes by, they continue to stare straight ahead, though it’s clear they’re aware of our presence.
AS: Rob. Rob there’s-
ROB: I see’em.
Rob puts his foot down, shedding the weight of a thousand pairs of eyes as he leaves the building behind. As the final column of windows slips by us, I glance back, hoping to see them return to the depths of the building. Instead, in those last few moments, I witness their collective demeanour fracture into a desperate frenzy, their mouths opening in a silent scream as they slam their fists against the glass.
Turning back around, I stare into the buildings that currently flank our vehicle. The figures have already arrived at the windows, and their calm is already fading.
AS: Rob, we need to go faster.
ROB: I’m on it.
The Wrangler growls with renewed ferocity as Rob plants his foot onto the gas. We lurch towards the next corner, accelerating down the road as Rob scans for any hidden turns. I achingly shift in my seat, keeping an eye on the scene developing in our wake.
Shards of broken window begin to rain onto the asphalt. Watching the shattered pieces tumble through the air, it’s apparent that the quiet in this city isn’t simply due to a lack of activity. The torrent of splintered glass is completely silent, even as it crashes against the impervious ground.
Nothing in this city makes a noise. Nothing except us.
The thunderous engine of the Wrangler has never sounded so loud.
Looking up, I witness hundreds of hands gripping the shattered window frames, unable to turn myself away as thousands of polished black shoes step over the threshold. The figures stream out from every floor, forming an incomprehensible deluge of humanity.
The first wave strikes the ground, with more and more landing against them; a heap of tangled figures struggling to separate themselves. Much like the residents of Jubilation, and everyone else we’ve encountered on the road, they appear impervious to the fatal harm such an act should impart. Those that landed on their feet hardly even stop, turning towards us, and sprinting after the Wrangler. It doesn’t take long for the rest of the writhing mass to resolve itself, its constituent individuals joining the frantic stampede, their chaotic charge and desperate screams bereft of any perceivable sound.
Even in the midst of the frenzied pursuit, as a foreboding shower of glass falls from every building we pass, the world outside remains silent; the chaos made even more incomprehensible framed against the ungodly stillness in which it takes place.
Rob screeches around the corner, drifting onto a long and open street. The roadway ahead is flanked by skyscrapers disappearing to a narrow vanishing point. As we race down this next stretch of road towards a large intersection, the ever growing mob bursts onto the street behind us, taking the corner with supreme coordination and continuing tirelessly in our direction.
A split second later, I’m struck by an abrupt and pervasive idea. It feels unlike any thought I’ve ever had before, less of a notion, and more a prescient hybrid of intuition and de ja vu, as if the course of action we must take is obvious to me, despite my not knowing why.
I force my voice above a grating whisper.
AS: Rob. We need to drop something behind us… something loud.
ROB: What’re you thinkin’?
AS: I uh… you just have to trust me ok? We still have most of the plastic explosive could you-
ROB: Nah, if you took out the blasting cap I ain’t got time to make a new one.
Rob’s glances into the rear view, then back to the road. I can almost hear the gears turning in his head.
ROB: But that the only explosive on-board. Think you can drive?
AS: I guess we can find out.
The car thunders across the tarmac as I clumsily grasp the wheel, shifting myself over and working my foot onto the accelerator. Rob lifts himself away and climbs past me into the back of the Wrangler. In my weak state, every shuddering motion makes my bones rattle. With each subsequent gearshift, I’m forced to take my remaining hand off the wheel and reach across to the stick. The effort is precarious and awkward, my aching limbs puppeteered by will power and adrenaline, every passing second a battle to maintain control.
The windows up ahead are starting to fracture. The noise of the Wrangler is carrying, and the entire city is starting to pre-empt our arrival. Behind me, I can hear the ripping of duct tape, the tearing of fabric and the clattering of falling luggage. I’m not sure what’s taking place behind me. I just have to trust that Rob has a plan.
I hear the back door swing open just before we reach the intersection, a metallic scraping along the Wrangler’s floor, and a pained grunt from Rob as he throws something onto the road behind us.
Reaching the crossroads, I slide my hand along the wheel and twist it sharply to the right. As the car lurches round, and onto the next road, I feel my heart sink dramatically. We’ve been overtaken. The windows ahead of us are shattered, the front doors lay broken on the street, and the building’s desperate inhabitants are rushing towards us, blocking off our only means of escape.
I slam my foot onto the break, and the Wrangler shudders to a halt, the engine stalling and cutting out. The streets are now spilling over, an overwhelming swarm converging on our position from four directions. I look back to Rob, and he meets my gaze, his eyes brimming with dismayed finality.
An explosion shudders through the air behind us. I look out the back window to see a shattered jerry can, one of Rob’s now superfluous fuel reserves, its dark green shell violently compromised, its contents spilled out across the road and cast alight. Now that the engine isn’t running, the echo of the blast and roar of the primal, balletic flame fills the afternoon air.
The trajectory of the maddened crowd changes instantaneously, the silent Wrangler has fallen from their collective attention, as they refocus onto the smouldering flames. Those up ahead continue to rush past us, streaming around the Wrangler as they scramble to the spilled pool of gasoline, digging their hands into the blaze, grasping hopelessly at the fire.
Delicately, careful not to make a single shred of noise, I climb out of the driver’s seat, joining Rob in the back of the Wrangler.
He addresses me in a confused whisper.
ROB: Why don’t they care about us? What are they doing?
AS: … It’s the sound. They want it for themselves.
I don’t how I’m so sure, but I know that it’s the case. The jerry can creaks and screams as the city dwellers tear it into smaller and smaller pieces, frantically examining every jagged scrap. With each passing second, as the fire dies down, the crowd grows increasingly distressed, as if a precious commodity is slipping through their fingers.
AS: They don’t understand it. They’ll pull it apart trying to figure it out and they’ll never get any closer… and then it’ll be quiet again.
ROB: Where you gettin’ this from?
AS: I don’t know, just a uh… just a feeling.
ROB: Well... pretty sure they woulda pulled us apart too. I’d say we’re pretty lucky.
AS: Hah, yeah… pretty lucky.
As the last of the gasoline is eaten up, and the fire dies away, the city dwellers remain in the streets. Devoid of their momentary sense of purpose, their prize vanishing into the ether, the crowd’s desperation fades into a hushed despondency. I watch them as they pass by, countless faces wracked with sorrow, their aimless shuffling forming a lonesome sea, a grayscale ocean that spans the desolate city.
The Wrangler is now adrift in the centre of that ocean. It’s clear that any attempt to start the engine would bring the entire city down on us, reigniting their futile hope, causing them to tear through the car, and anything inside it.
For the foreseeable future, we’re completely stranded.
ROB: Don’t worry about it, ok?
AS: I don’t think they’re going to leave Rob.
ROB: They’ll leave.
AS: Ok… and what then? They’ll still be everywhere.
ROB: Hey, we’re a smart pair. We’ll think of somethin’.
In the eerie, pervasive calm that surrounds us, I sit myself down next to Rob and lean back against the wall, with nothing else to do but wait for our situation to change. After watching the figures outside for over an hour, the only thing that’s different is a strange needling sensation that feels like it’s emanating from now absent forearm.
AS: My uh… my arm hurts… how’s that possible-
ROB: Don’t worry that’s uh… it’s called Phantom Limb. You got some sensation right? Like you still got somethin’ there? A lotta people get that after amputations. Here…
Rob reaches into his medical kit and retracts a blue jar of tablets. Twisting off the cap, he shakes two pills free.
ROB: You’re gonna need these for the pain.
I stare at the tablets for a moment, before collecting them from his open palm. He passes me his canteen and I swallow them down in two weak gulps.
AS: You have a lot of experience with amputations?
ROB: … More than you’d think.
My brow furrows. Though I’d meant my remark as a passing jibe, Rob’s response rings with a strange sincerity. It takes me a moment to realise why that is.
AS: I forgot... you were drafted. You never talked about it.
ROB: Been thinkin’ about it a lot though. Bunch of strangers brought together under false pretences, told that we were servin’ a grand purpose by some old liar. Guess it’s interestin’ how time repeats itself. Now that I think about it, he drove a Jeep too.
AS: Rob… I told you, you didn’t bring us here-
ROB: That don’t change nuthin’. Don’t change what I did… to you, to Bobby, to any of ‘em. Maybe you were there in the forest but I was the one who started this, the one who kept askin’ what was at the end of the road.
AS: What do you think is at the end Rob?
ROB: Startin to think that ain’t for me to know. I been movin’ from place to place so long, seen everyone else settle down. Far as I can see, the end of the road is just wherever you decide to stop.
I rest my head on Rob’s shoulder. He gently places his arm around me. It isn’t long before medication starts to take effect, quietly overtaking my already weakened constitution. The pain subsides, dulled along with the rest of my senses. The sun is still streaming through the windshield as my eyes begin to drift shut.
I watch the figures pass the window, my eyelids getting weaker.
AS: I don’t want this to be the end Rob.
ROB: I know Miss Sharma, I know.
The last thing I see before I fall into a dreamless artificial sleep, is Rob Guthard’s hand reaching for the rifle.
When my eyes work themselves open, the sun is beginning to set.
I’ve been moved. As my vision adjusts, it becomes clear that I’m still in the Wrangler. My head resting against a pile of fresh clothes, a soft travel blanket laid across me.
I glance around to find that Rob’s nowhere to be seen.
Momentarily forgetting the situation outside the car, I attempt to call out for him. The syllable catches in my throat as a shambling figure passes by the window, wringing its hands in despair and casting a long shadow through the car.
With a renewed sense of caution, I slide the blanket to one side, and slowly make my way to the up front.
The cabin is similarly empty, except for a single scrap of paper, torn from my notebook. It lies on the driver’s seat, a small object hidden within the fold. When I open it, I find my headphones and five neatly written words:
“Channel One To All Cars”
My hand starts to shake as I rest the note on the dashboard, slowly climbing through and placing myself gently into the driver’s seat. My heart in my throat, I insert the headphones into the jack of the CB radio, take a single, quivering breath in, and press the first button.
AS: Rob?
ROB: I’m uh… I’m sorry Miss Sharma.
AS: Rob, where are you?
ROB: Down the road a little. Got myself to one of the rooftops. I know I always hated cities but, once you’re above it, the view’s really somethin’.
AS: Come back Rob. Come back... please.
ROB: I wish I could. I do. But we both know those things ain’t leavin. And you need the car to get where ever you gotta go so… best I can do is make some ruckus, draw’em outta your way.
I rest my head against the steering wheel, bracing myself against the weight of his words.
AS: I can’t do this without you.
ROB: I don’t think that’s true Miss Sharma. I think whatever’s on this road… it wants you to make it all the way. All I was meant to do was bring you this far. Now you don’t have to listen to it, you can turn around and head home… but either way only one of us is drivin’ outta here. So I guess the only question left is... which way d’you wanna go?
AS: Well… are you ahead of me or behind me?
ROB: I can be anywhere. It’s your choice Miss Sharma.
In the wake of Rob’s words, in the shadow of the decision, I’m cast into silence; not because the choice is hard, but because I’m ashamed that it’s so easy. It was made the moment I first stepped into the Wrangler, and renewed in every perplexing moment since. The need to know, to comprehend, to uncover the truth has been with me all my life, but I never knew its roots ran so deep, that it would endure so ardently when everything else, everyone else, had been stripped away.
I stare into the rear view mirror, seeing myself for the very first time, and I have to admit I’m scared.
AS: Stay where you are Rob.
ROB: Hah… ok Miss Sharma… you ready?
AS: … Yeah. I’m ready.
ROB: Alright then… suppose it’s about time this thing did some good.
The shot explodes through the radio, before a faint booming echo reaches me on the quiet city air.
Its effect on the city dwellers is immediate. Their collective melancholy shatters in an instant, replaced by a renewed fixation. Before I know it, the disparate crowd unites once more into a stampeding horde, rushing past the windows of the Wrangler and back down the road towards the source of the noise.
ROB: They on their way?
As the last of the city dwellers disappear behind me, I run my hand across the steering wheel, and down to the ignition.
AS: Yeah… yeah they’re on their way.
ROB: Ok then... what’re you waitin’ for?
With a fateful twist of the key, the Wrangler roars back to life. The wheels kick against the asphalt, transporting me through the streets of the city. As I barrel away from the intersection, I see a small contingent of pursuers rushing around the corner behind me.
Rob fires the rifle again, maintaining the attention of the majority. The stragglers fall away in my rear view mirror, losing ground against the Wrangler.
I take the first left, then the next possible right, then another left, a few minutes later I eventually find myself on the last stretch of road, leading me back into the vast and empty desert.
ROB: So, you gonna make it?
AS: Yeah, I’m gonna make it.
ROB: Good. That’s good. Miss Sharma, if uh… if you find Marjorie, if you get a chance to let me know… well it’s more than I deserve but-.
AS: Of course… of course I will.
ROB: I appreciate that. Ok, they’re gonna be here soon so… I’m gonna go radio silent for a while. If I call, you’ll know I made it out. If I don’t call… you just assume I made it out, ok?
AS: Please tell me you’re going to be alright, Rob.
ROB: … It’s been a real honour drivin’ with you Miss Sharma.
The sound of a final shot reverberates through the radio, its echo drowned out by the roaring engine of the Wrangler. The world shifts around me as I burst out of the city, and back onto the desert road.
The way ahead is laden with immense possibility, yet as I disappear into the vastness of the desert, I can only think of what I’ve left behind. Rob J Guthard had his flaws, marked by loss, driven by obsession, his good intentions often paving the way to tragedy and heartbreak.
As the tears begin to roll down my cheeks, I decide to remember him differently; as a valued friend, a good man and, above all else, a great story.
No matter how you tell it.
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